Comments on: The Catholic Church alone http://blog.catholicsphere.com/2007/07/11/the-catholic-church-alone.html Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:40:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: bill bannon http://blog.catholicsphere.com/2007/07/11/the-catholic-church-alone.html#comment-31002 bill bannon Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:34:19 +0000 http://blog.catholicsphere.com/2007/07/11/the-catholic-church-alone.html#comment-31002 The document is true and the publishing of it is imprudent. Did it convert one Protestant? No. It is meant to please the choir of those Catholics who already believe what it says....like an exercise of spending too much time at the mirror. That means that beside annoying Protestants; it produced no new fruit in Catholicism. The only people on earth who will read the document are those who need it not at all because they already know what it says and they could have written it too. Catholicism's drop away non Mass attending population does not read encyclicals let alone documents from the CDF so the document was not meant to reach them since all we do is send them envelopes for parish donating. So who was helped by this document? If no one was helped, it produced no fruit whatsoever. We need the CDF to be working on real problems like cooperation in sin at various forms of employment: can Catholics work in a bookstore like Barnes and Noble which sells both good books and books with truly devilish morals as implicit in them/ can Catholics who own a pizza place deliver pizza to the same abortion clinic each week on Wednesday without giving scandal/ can Catholics sell furniture without noting to the customer that thin cottons on a sofa last about 3 years in heavy traffic while synthetics which the customer likes less, last 10 years and up/ can Catholics have their 401 in foreign stocks without knowing what those companies are making or whether they are paying a just wage...get my drift? There are reality questions that the Church is never working on because we are posturing half the time with non reality questions like Latin at Mass....what does "subsist" mean..."let's save Timothy McVeigh from the death penalty...he only killed 40 children or so"....all things that don't involve the intimate reality of living day to day religion. Ask yourself....who will read the document: people who already love it and Protestants who long to hate it by reading it so that they can hate it more. The CDF should be working on reality instead of the ivory tower dilemnas of the ivory tower. The document is true and the publishing of it is imprudent. Did it convert one Protestant? No.
It is meant to please the choir of those Catholics who already believe what it says….like an exercise of spending too much time at the mirror.
That means that beside annoying Protestants; it produced no new fruit in Catholicism. The only people on earth who will read the document are those who need it not at all because they already know what it says and they could have written it too. Catholicism’s drop away non Mass attending population does not read encyclicals let alone documents from the CDF so the document was not meant to reach them since all we do is send them envelopes for parish donating. So who was helped by this document? If no one was helped, it produced no fruit whatsoever. We need the CDF to be working on real problems like cooperation in sin at various forms of employment: can Catholics work in a bookstore like Barnes and Noble which sells both good books and books with truly devilish morals as implicit in them/ can Catholics who own a pizza place deliver pizza to the same abortion clinic each week on Wednesday without giving scandal/ can Catholics sell furniture without noting to the customer that thin cottons on a sofa last about 3 years in heavy traffic while synthetics which the customer likes less, last 10 years and up/ can Catholics have their 401 in foreign stocks without knowing what those companies are making or whether they are paying a just wage…get my drift? There are reality questions that the Church is never working on because we are posturing half the time with non reality questions like Latin at Mass….what does “subsist” mean…”let’s save Timothy McVeigh from the death penalty…he only killed 40 children or so”….all things that don’t involve the intimate reality of living day to day religion.
Ask yourself….who will read the document: people who already love it and Protestants who long to hate it by reading it so that they can hate it more. The CDF should be working on reality instead of the ivory tower dilemnas of the ivory tower.

]]> By: Cocol http://blog.catholicsphere.com/2007/07/11/the-catholic-church-alone.html#comment-21100 Cocol Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:36:56 +0000 http://blog.catholicsphere.com/2007/07/11/the-catholic-church-alone.html#comment-21100 What do I think of the document? I think it's great! Not in a triumphal, "I told ya so" sort of way, but more along the lines of an affirmation of what the Church has always taught and what I've always believed. Reflecting specifically upon the section of the document that says that one can "affirm correctly that the Church of Christ is present and operative in the churches and ecclesial Communities not yet fully in communion with the Catholic Church", I wonder how many have realized that "Church of Christ" and "Catholic Church" are being used interchangably here? What is the Church asserting, then? She's asserting that She is operative in any body that correctly clais to have - or in fact does have - elements of the truth in it! God bless. Cocol What do I think of the document? I think it’s great! Not in a triumphal, “I told ya so” sort of way, but more along the lines of an affirmation of what the Church has always taught and what I’ve always believed.

Reflecting specifically upon the section of the document that says that one can “affirm correctly that the Church of Christ is present and operative in the churches and ecclesial Communities not yet fully in communion with the Catholic Church”, I wonder how many have realized that “Church of Christ” and “Catholic Church” are being used interchangably here? What is the Church asserting, then? She’s asserting that She is operative in any body that correctly clais to have - or in fact does have - elements of the truth in it!

God bless.

Cocol

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